Samuel Barnett, a two-time Tony Award nominee, and Marcelo Dos Santos, an award-winning playwright, delve into the complexities of modern gay relationships. They explore the freedom and shame in hookup culture and confront societal expectations around fidelity. The conversation also touches on grief and creativity, influenced by losses during the pandemic, and highlights cultural differences between Australia and Britain. Their insights challenge norms and reveal the universal emotional truths of intimacy, self-worth, and the trials of adult life.