In this conversation, Magdalena Krayevska, a political science professor and author, and Jim Harper, a privacy expert, delve into the intricate history and implications of the REAL ID Act. They discuss its origins post-9/11 and debate whether it's outdated two decades later. The duo highlights challenges with state compliance, privacy concerns, and the paradox of national security versus individual freedoms. They also critique the efficacy of ID checks in preventing terrorism, offering a thought-provoking look at America's complex relationship with identification.