Dr. Lynette H. Ong, a Political Science Professor at the University of Toronto, discusses her book on state repression in contemporary China. She reflects on her nearly decade-long field research amid heavy political restrictions. Key topics include the role of community members in enforcing compliance, the troubling consequences of urban development, and the decline of trust during China's zero COVID policy. Ong's insights reveal the intricate dynamics of everyday governance and the darker side of China's rapid economic growth.

Michael Kovrig, a former diplomat and advisor who spent over a thousand days detained in China, joins Lynette Ong, a distinguished expert on Chinese politics. They dive into the evolving and precarious dynamics of Canada's relationship with China, discussing the implications of recent tragic events, including the execution of Canadian citizens. They debate strategies for Canada to navigate this hostile environment while balancing economic interests and human rights. The conversation reflects on the urgent need for a reevaluation of diplomatic approaches amid rising tensions.