In a thought-provoking discussion, Luke Roberts, COO and co-founder of HighFive, shares his insights as a systems provocateur. He dives into the resilience yet dehumanizing nature of systems and the challenges faced in initiating transformational change, particularly in education. Luke emphasizes the necessity of a long-term commitment to enacting meaningful change, often taking three years or more to see real results. He also explores the intersection of systemic issues with individual experiences, pushing the agenda for collaborative efforts in navigating complexities.