Lynne Segal and Loree Erickson discuss the myth of total independence, disability as a social construct, and the politics of care. They explore the gendering and devaluation of caring labor, the need for collective care and the challenges of privatization. They also delve into climate change's impact on marginalized communities, building an abolitionist care practice, and the lack of support from the government during the global health crisis. The conversation emphasizes the importance of reimagining care outside of systems of control.