The Kindness of Strangers | Lynne Segal & Loree Erickson
Dec 14, 2023
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Lynne Segal and Loree Erickson discuss the myth of total independence, disability as a social construct, and the politics of care. They explore the gendering and devaluation of caring labor, the need for collective care and the challenges of privatization. They also delve into climate change's impact on marginalized communities, building an abolitionist care practice, and the lack of support from the government during the global health crisis. The conversation emphasizes the importance of reimagining care outside of systems of control.
Society should prioritize care and recognize the interdependency between individuals, moving away from the myth of total independence.
A more inclusive approach to care is needed, recognizing that all bodies have needs and deserve care.
Power dynamics must be acknowledged and addressed in care relationships to foster healthy and mutually caring connections.
Deep dives
The importance of reevaluating care and building a politics of care
It is crucial to prioritize care and recognize the interdependency between individuals. Society should move away from the idea of individual independence and focus on building relationships and connections. Care is often devalued due to societal gender dynamics and the prioritization of autonomy. However, disability activists have argued that dependence and autonomy are two sides of the same coin, and society should provide the necessary infrastructure to enable autonomy for all. A politics of care should encompass illness, disability, parenthood, aging, and vulnerability, and not relegate them to the margins of society.
Expanding the concept of care to include all bodies and needs
The traditional model of care has focused on specific sets of needs, often excluding individuals who do not fit within societal norms. A more inclusive approach is needed to recognize that all bodies have needs and are deserving of care. The current world is structured to accommodate certain body-mind experiences, while marginalizing others. It is essential to challenge these norms and create a world that enables all bodies to thrive. This requires recognizing the ways in which our societal systems are built to enable certain ways of living and being, while excluding others, and working towards a more equitable and caring society.
The role of power dynamics in care relationships
Power dynamics are always present in care relationships, and it is necessary to acknowledge and address them. While care can be a positive and reciprocal relationship, power can also enter into relationships and impact the provision of care. Recognizing and addressing power dynamics is crucial to foster healthy and mutually caring relationships. Additionally, care should not be seen as simply a one-way provision, but as a relationship that involves both care providers and recipients. Building a caring world requires addressing power imbalances and ensuring that care is provided in a way that respects the dignity and autonomy of all individuals involved.
The need for a revaluation of care in society
Care has been undervalued and marginalized in society, often associated with gendered expectations and relegated to the private domestic sphere. However, care should be central to our politics and society. This requires rethinking the definition of care and expanding it beyond traditional notions of hands-on care to encompass caring with and caring about others and the world. Building a caring world involves fighting for robustly funded public programs, shorter working hours, and nurturing mutual care within communities. It also means challenging existing power structures and institutions that exploit care and perpetuate inequality and seeking to build a more inclusive and caring society.
Connecting care with social justice movements
Care is interconnected with various social justice movements, such as disability justice, indigenous rights, and abolitionist efforts. Recognizing the importance of care within these movements is crucial for building more just and caring societies. It involves centering the voices and leadership of directly impacted communities in advocating for transformative change. This includes challenging systems of oppression, such as capitalism, patriarchy, white supremacy, and ableism, that undermine care and perpetuate violence and control. By connecting care with social justice movements, we can work towards a world that prioritizes interdependence, connection, and love, rather than control, punishment, and surveillance.
On the last episode The Verso Podcast before the new year, Eleanor Penny is joined by Lynne Segal and Loree Erickson to discuss the myth of total independence, disability as a social construct, and the politics of care. In a conversation that ranges from the gendering, racialisation, and devaluation of caring labour, to abolitionism and disability activism, Loree and Lynne unpack the deep connections between autonomy and dependence, whilst suggesting ways to reimagine care outside of institutions that want to make it all about control.
You can find Lynne's book, "Lean on Me: A Politics of Radical Care", here tinyurl.com/mwcapmn7
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