Adam Phillips, a leading Freud expert, chats with Lisa Appignanesi, former Chair of the Freud Museum. They dive deep into writing Freud’s biography, tackling the challenges of capturing his complex identity and personal history. The discussion explores childhood trauma, Freud's transformative Parisian experiences, and the evolving dynamics of gender in early psychoanalysis. They also touch on the interplay between literature and psychoanalysis, revealing how works like Shakespeare's influenced Freud’s theories and practices.