In this discussion, Sean Watts, a law professor at West Point, Lee Fennell from the University of Chicago, and Barry de Vries, a research fellow at Justus Liebig University, explore the fragile state of international arms control. They delve into the resurgence of landmine use and the challenges posed by AI-controlled weapons. The guests debate the ethical dilemmas nations face between defense and treaty obligations amidst geopolitical tensions. Their insights highlight the nonlinear nature of progress in law and warfare, advocating for deeper reflection on societal change.