Katherine Lewis, an Honorary Professor of Medieval History, and Laura Kalas, a Senior Lecturer in Medieval English Literature, delve into the intriguing legend of Pope Joan, a woman who disguised herself as a man to ascend to the papacy in the 9th century. They discuss how this tale reflects societal gender norms and the evolution of women's roles in the Church. The conversation reveals the intersection of historical fact and fiction and highlights the lasting impact of Pope Joan's story on contemporary discussions about women's leadership and authority within religious contexts.