Kelsey McKinney, author of "You Didn’t Hear This From Me" and former host of "Normal Gossip", dives into the dual nature of gossip and its surprising benefits in love and relationships. She shares personal anecdotes, illuminating how harmless chatter can build connections while exploring the complexities that arise in romantic dynamics. The conversation also highlights how storytelling through gossip can offer valuable insights into our own lives, making navigating the world of relationships a little more relatable and fun.

Features writer Kelsey McKinney discusses the challenges of a creative career, balancing job duties with creative work, importance of studying successful creatives, and the evolution of her writing styles. She also talks about her upcoming book on gossip, career transitions, struggles with memory recall, and the growth in handling criticism. McKinney delves into her podcasting journey, embracing the role of a podcast host, and maintaining creative autonomy amidst external pressures.

Kelsey McKinney, a writer for Defector, and Quantic Foundry, a research organization analyzing gamer motivations, join the hosts to discuss player motivations and copying others in game design. They also touch on attending Origins Game Fair, frustrations with cliffhangers in TV shows, complexity in competitive sports, eating salty food, analyzing and incorporating others' work, and amusing horse names in games.

Kelsey McKinney, a writer from Defector, and Dr. Mel Stanfill, author of *Fandom is Ugly*, dive into the complexities of celebrity culture and the intense scrutiny pop stars face, particularly concerning gender dynamics. They discuss Chappell Roan's experiences with obsessive fans and the misunderstandings surrounding celebrity status. The conversation shifts to MrBeast, the YouTube sensation, exploring his viral charity videos and how they redefine philanthropy amid a perceived 'generosity crisis' in traditional charitable giving.

The podcast discusses the upcoming live tour 'The Big Magical Cult Show' celebrating the host's new book, featuring star-studded bookstore stops, witchy variety shows with cult-followed podcasters, drag burlesque, musical guests, and exclusive merch collection.