Herman Daly, an influential ecological economist and former World Bank employee, reflects on his revolutionary career critiquing mainstream economics. He shares fascinating insights on sustainability, influenced by his family and activism in Brazil. Karen Daly Junker offers personal anecdotes about her father's passion, while David Batker discusses Daly's impact on ecological economics and the push for policy changes. Together, they explore the fight against neoliberalism at the World Bank, advocating for a shift toward sustainability and social justice in development.