Mark Leonard chats with Tobias Gehrke, a senior policy fellow at ECFR, specializing in geoeconomics, and José Ignacio Torreblanca, head of ECFR’s Madrid office focusing on tech geopolitics. They dive into how Europe can respond to a potentially confrontational Trump administration. Topics include leveraging trade tariffs, targeting tech giants like Elon Musk, and implementing nuanced regulations to manage American influence in Europe. The discussion highlights the risks of escalating tensions and the importance of a self-reliant tech landscape to safeguard democracy.

José Ignacio Torreblanca, a senior policy fellow and head of ECFR’s Madrid office, and Pawel Zerka, also a senior policy fellow, dive into Brazil’s nuanced international role. They discuss Brazil's strategic positioning amid global tensions, especially during the recent G20 summit. The conversation highlights Brazil's ambitions for South-South cooperation and its new climate policies. They also examine the domestic impact of Donald Trump’s politics on Brazilian public opinion and the future of far-right movements in Latin America.