Glenn Hitchcock and John Pham from Vercel discuss design engineering, collaboration between designers and engineers, hiring criteria for design engineers, and building with reusability in mind. They also touch on software creation, Framer components, Screwball scramble, and Dead Simple Sites.

Guest John Pham from TheMoneyNinja.com discusses how he turned his passion for personal finance into a full-time job. Topics include getting the AMEX Black card in college, optimizing time in business and travel hacking, crazy stories with the AMEX concierge, reselling Southwest flights, running an E-com business, maximizing spend, and the importance of passion, focus, and delegation.