Renowned poet and philosopher John Koethe discusses the intricate dance between poetry and philosophy. He delves into the idea of the oscillating self, bridging the gap between dichotomies. Reflecting on his journey from religion to a secular understanding of spirituality, he captures the essence of personal experience in artistic expression. The interplay of creativity, consciousness, and the beauty of existence emerges as key themes, alongside love and loss, highlighted through poetic structures that shape deep emotions.