In this engaging discussion, Matt Kielty, a Radiolab reporter, delves into the compelling origins of the 'born this way' idea alongside Dean Hamer, a geneticist known for his research on a potential genetic link to male homosexuality, and Joanna Wuest, a political scholar exploring the historical context of this concept. They tackle the complexities of sexual orientation, the interplay of genetics and identity, and the societal implications of advocating for inherent traits. The conversation also reflects on evolving narratives within LGBTQ+ rights and the fluidity of attraction.

Joanna Wuest, an author specializing in the nexus of science, citizenship, and inequality within the LGBTQ+ movement, discusses her book. She critiques the notion of LGBTQ+ rights as a narrative of progress, exploring how reliance on science shaped advocacy strategies. Wuest unpacks the implications of framing sexual and gender identities as immutable, the historical pathologization of homosexuality, and the civil rights parallels. The conversation delves into the challenges facing marginalized communities in achieving constitutional recognition and the evolving landscape of queer rights.