
Jim Matulski
Longtime minister who delivered a full sermon at MCC San Francisco in 1991 about grief and the toll of the AIDS crisis; the sermon is the central audio of this episode.
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Nov 16, 2025 • 31min
Interlude: Tired of Dying | When We All Get to Heaven
Rev. Jim Matulski, a longtime minister, reflects on the toll of the AIDS crisis through his poignant 1991 sermon. He explores his exhaustion and grief over the countless losses, connecting the congregation's avoidance of church services to communal sorrow. Matulski highlights Magic Johnson's HIV announcement and its impact on societal awareness of AIDS. The conversation culminates in a discussion on how shared grief can transform into collective action, emphasizing the need for empathy, support, and resilience in the face of loss.

Nov 12, 2025 • 1h 4min
6: Attacked | When We All Get to Heaven
Lynn Griffiths, an assistant pastor and AIDS chaplain at MCC San Francisco, recounts her harrowing experience when she was attacked in 1989. Joined by Jim Matulski, the senior pastor, and Kit Charinger, a student clergy, they delve into the community's response to anti-gay violence and the fears that plagued them. The conversation shifts to the shocking aftermath when police questioned the authenticity of the attacks. Amid these revelations, themes of trust, healing, and the complexity of forgiveness emerge, shaping the congregation's future.


