Travis Thul, Director of Operations at the University of Minnesota, and Jill Hoffman, Founder and CEO of Path 2 Flight, discuss the thin line between grit and quitting. They share personal stories about glitches in entrepreneurial ventures, including a Kickstarter campaign for a unique ramen-making machine. The conversation emphasizes the emotional hurdles of failure, the stigma around it, and how acknowledging these challenges can actually foster success. Together, they advocate for a redefined perspective on persistence and the importance of knowing when to let go.