In this enlightening conversation, neuroscientist and author Jessie Cruikshank shares insights on the brain science of discipleship. She reveals how traditional teaching often hinders true transformation. Jessie discusses the differences between semantic and autobiographical memory, emphasizing the importance of personal experiences in spiritual growth. She argues for a shift away from passive learning towards relational strategies that foster community and authenticity. With her unique background from roller derby to academia, she challenges listeners to rethink church practices and prioritize identity formation.