In a thought-provoking discussion, Jeremy Goldkorn, co-founder of the Sinica Podcast and editor at Chinafile, shares his insights on the shifting narrative regarding China in the U.S. He explores the role of social media in changing perceptions, specifically among younger generations, and the decline of human rights rhetoric. Jeremy predicts a cautious yet hopeful future for U.S.-China relations, considering how recent developments might influence American attitudes. The conversation delves into the implications of these changes and the complex dynamics at play.

Jeremy Goldkorn, former editor-in-chief of TCP and co-founder and former co-host of Sinica, chats with Kaiser about the history of the podcast, the end of the golden years of liberalization in China, and how China changed their politics. They also discuss their different approaches to discussing China and reflect on their past experiences in media startups. Additionally, they explore the concept of Chinese exceptionalism and the motivations of China analysts in the 80s and 90s.

The podcast discusses the US House bill targeting TikTok due to national security concerns. Experts debate the app's risks, data privacy, and Chinese influence. Topics include tech surveillance, foreign meddling, and potential buyers for TikTok. The debate explores balancing national security, internet fragmentation, and global regulation.