In this discussion, Jeff Tumlin, the former director of the San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency, reflects on his challenging tenure leading Muni through a pandemic that drastically altered public transit. He sheds light on the recovery of Muni compared to BART and the essential adaptations made during this period. Tumlin discusses the impacts of rideshare services, the complexities of urban infrastructure, and emphasizes the importance of community engagement for improving transit in San Francisco. His insights provide a glimpse into the future of urban transportation.