In this episode, Jay Wilson joins the hosts to discuss the nonexistence of entry-level jobs in cybersecurity. They explore the reasons behind this contradiction and how job candidates can creatively gain experience to break into the industry. The importance of stories and personal growth in convincing potential employers is highlighted, along with the responsibility of industry professionals to help newcomers. The chapter also discusses the hiring process, networking, and the need for cybersecurity professionals to care about the businesses they protect.