Wendy speaks with philosopher Hanne De Jaegher. They discuss sense-making and embodiment in cognition, the primacy of interaction, emotional capacity and dementia, understanding autistic individuals, problems with social media discouraging interaction, the tension between self and interdependence, and applying these ideas to our relationship with nature.

Elena Cuffari, an assistant professor specializing in the enactive approach to language, Hanne De Jaegher, a philosopher known for participatory sense-making, and Ezequiel Di Paolo, a cognitive scientist bridging neuroscience and philosophy, engage in a riveting dialogue. They explore the fluid nature of identity, emphasizing how shared meanings are constructed through participatory sense-making. The trio connects these ideas to real-world applications, discussing ethical interactions, the impact of autism research, and the dynamics of communication within high-stress situations.