Sean Illing talks with neuroscientist Gregory Berns, author of The Self Delusion. Berns claims that the idea of a unified, persistent self is a kind of illusion, and that we are better understood as multiple selves at different moments in time, tied together by a story — which is what we call our identity. Sean and Greg also talk about whether the brain is a computer, how perception works, the limits of thinking too much about thinking, and what psychedelics can do to disrupt and change the stories we tell about ourselves.Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray AreaGuest: Gregory Berns (@gberns), author; professor of psychology and distinguished professor of neuroeconomics, Emory UniversityReferences:  The Self Delusion: The New Neuroscience of How We Invent — and Reinvent — Our Identities by Gregory Berns (Basic; 2022) More on the "Ship of Theseus" by Noah Levin "Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness" by David Chalmers (Journal of Consciousness Studies 2; 1995) More on "The Hard Problem of Consciousness" by Josh Weisberg (Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy) "The extraordinary therapeutic potential of psychedelic drugs, explained" by Sean Illing (Vox; Mar. 8, 2019)  Enjoyed this episode? Rate The Gray Area ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ and leave a review on Apple Podcasts.Subscribe for free. Be the first to hear the next episode of The Gray Area. Subscribe in your favorite podcast app.Support Vox Conversations by making a financial contribution to Vox! bit.ly/givepodcastsThis episode was made by:  Producer: Erikk Geannikis Editor: Amy Drozdowska Engineer: Patrick Boyd Editorial Director, Vox Talk: A.M. Hall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Gregory Berns, a neuroscientist at Emory University and author, dives into the complexities of self-perception and social conformity. He explores the unique human storytelling instinct compared to animal communication and discusses his groundbreaking MRI research on dogs. The conversation touches on how our identities are shaped by sensory input and societal pressure, alongside the evolution of motivations from ancestral strategies to today's digital anxieties. Berns also shares insights from his farm life, highlighting the bonds formed with animals like cows.

Dr. Gregory Berns, a neuroscientist and author, discusses the surprising emotional intelligence of cows, paralleling their behavior to dogs. He shares insights from his journey of raising cows in the Georgia countryside. Topics include cows’ social bonds, their affectionate behaviors, and the cognitive skills that challenge common perceptions of bovine intelligence. Berns also highlights the therapeutic benefits of spending time with cows, showcasing the unique, humorous bond he formed with them, including a playful bull named Ricky Bobby.

Brian Hare, a Professor in Evolutionary Anthropology and author of 'The Genius of Dogs', and Gregory Berns, a Professor of Psychology and neuroeconomics expert, dive into the fascinating bond between humans and their pets. They discuss how oxytocin reveals dogs’ love for us and how our companionship alters their brains. The conversation touches on the emotional healing power of pets, the complexities of dog cognition, and the implications of research on the human-animal relationship. Understanding these dynamics is crucial for empathy and ethical treatment.

Gregory Berns, a psychology professor turned accidental farmer at Emory University, shares his fascinating journey into the world of cows. He reveals surprising insights about cow personalities and the emotional connections they form, likening them to human relationships. Berns discusses his innovative 'bud box' techniques for stress-free handling and how music can influence cow behavior. The conversation emphasizes bridging the gap between urban folks and farm life, encouraging deeper appreciation for livestock and ethical consumption.