Nate Hagens is joined by Graham Palmer, a scholar and engineer in the field of energy, to discuss the critical role of energy storage in shaping societies throughout history. They explore the challenges and potential solutions for energy storage, including the impact on the financial system and the Energy Return on Investment (E.R.O.I.) of intermittent energy sources. They also touch on topics such as housing affordability, contrasting market-based capitalism with a caring economy, and exploring energy consumption and the good life.