Gina Rushton, a journalist and author who tackles the monumental choice of having children, joins Penny Greenhalgh, a comedian, exploring the emotional turmoil surrounding motherhood decisions. They dive into societal pressures and personal dilemmas faced by women in their late 30s, discussing the stigma of choosing childlessness. The conversation touches on fertility anxieties, the impact of 'heteropessimism' on women's relationships, and the idea of parallel lives. Their candid reflections offer a thoughtful look at the complexities of this life-altering choice.