In a deep dive into COP30 outcomes, guests include Amy Harder, a national energy correspondent at Axios, Lisa Jacobson, president of the Business Council for Sustainable Energy, Simon Evans, deputy editor at Carbon Brief, and Gianpiero Nacci, managing director at the EBRD. They discuss the contentious fossil fuel negotiations and the focus on climate adaptation. Key topics include a pledge to triple adaptation finance by 2035, the challenges of funding, and China's dual role as a clean-tech leader while expanding coal. What does this mean for future climate action?