Tyler Cowen, an economics professor and AI expert, joins Geoffrey Cain, a specialist on China and author of "The Perfect Police State," to unravel the recent AI rivalry sparked by China's DeepSeek. They discuss how this unexpected competitor emerged, challenging U.S. dominance despite restrictions on technology export. The conversation highlights potential national security threats, the complexities of trade, and the implications of AI on higher education. They argue for more dialogue amidst rising tensions as America navigates the shifting landscape of AI innovation.

Geoffrey Cain discusses the threat TikTok poses to US digital sovereignty and infrastructure, likening it to Chinese control over American media outlets. The conversation explores the need for regulations to protect democratic values and the importance of data privacy and security in the digital age.

Geoffrey Cain, the Policy Director of the Tech Integrity Project and author of The Perfect Police State, shares his insights on the rise of DeepSeek, a new Chinese language model challenging AI giants like ChatGPT. He discusses the implications of DeepSeek for U.S.-China tech relations, including market disruption and national security concerns. Cain also analyzes the contrasting views of tech leaders on AI development and the balancing act U.S. companies face between cooperation and competition with China.