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Gavin King
Creator of Hibernate and long-time contributor to Java/Jakarta EE persistence specifications, focused on improving type-safe, explicit, and stateless persistence APIs.
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Sep 22, 2025
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#232 - Hibernate Creator on Why Developers Hate ORM (And How We're Fixing It) - Gavin King
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Gavin King, the creator of Hibernate and a key contributor to Jakarta EE, dives into the complexities of Object-Relational Mapping and why so many developers harbor mixed feelings about it. He shares the origin story of Hibernate, discussing early Java EE frustrations that sparked its creation. The podcast explores the importance of type safety, the evolution of Jakarta specifications, and critiques industry dogmas like DDD aggregates. Gavin emphasizes that architecture should organically develop from the code and highlights the value of healthy debate within engineering teams.
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