Pulitzer Prize Finalist Garrett M. Graff discusses UFOs and the US government's search for alien life. They explore the history of UFOs, government knowledge, and the likelihood of extraterrestrial life visiting Earth. They also delve into language use, conspiracy theories, government incompetence, disclosure incentives, challenges in identifying alien life, and the intersection of national security, technology, and American politics.

Garrett Graff, a journalist and historian known for his work on national security, joins Josh Meyer, a domestic security correspondent at USA Today. They dive into Trump's controversial nominations of Tulsi Gabbard for Director of National Intelligence and Kash Patel as FBI chief. The discussion reveals concerns about Gabbard's ties to authoritarian regimes and Patel's intent to dismantle the FBI. They analyze the potential implications for U.S. national security and the broader challenges these nominees might face in confirmation.