John McDermott, The Economist’s Chief Africa Correspondent, offers expert insights on Rwanda, reflecting on the 30th anniversary of the 1994 genocide and its lasting impact on the nation's leadership under Paul Kagame. Gareth Brown, the Middle East correspondent, discusses the chaotic situation in Gaza, where displaced families navigate a shadow economy amidst rising clan power and declining Hamas control. The conversation weaves history with current crises, examining resilience and the complexities of governance.