Frank Karlitschek, co-creator of Nextcloud, discusses the growth and development of Nextcloud from OwnCloud, its surprising customer base in the public sector and education, and the features of Nextcloud including address book, file-sharing, office components, video calls, and chat. They also talk about the integration of the activity pub standard, the recent Nextcloud conference, and enabling personal control by running Nextcloud on personal hardware.

Special guest Frank Karlitschek discusses the integration of AI in NextCloud and the benefits of decentralization in IPFS podcasting. The hosts also talk about Linux Fest Northwest, automation upgrades in their RV, setting up a mouse-free environment, and their experiences with Indian food and camaraderie around a fire. They share their 20-year Windows challenge, recommend Power toys, and discuss podcasting apps and boosting.