Radek Sikorski, a seasoned Polish politician and journalist, and Flavia Kleiner, a Swiss activist advocating for direct democracy, engage in a spirited debate on nationalism and European unity. They argue that nationalism is a delusion, emphasizing the need for closer EU integration to tackle contemporary challenges. On the opposing side, journalist Douglas Murray and political scientist Aleksandra Rybińska stress the risks of nationalism, citing its historical impact and the complexities of fostering a unified European identity. This clash of views highlights the intricate balance between nationhood and collective progress.