Elisabeth Hendrickson & Charles Humble discuss debunking testing ratios, impact of organizational structures on quality, challenges in testing practices, layoffs' impact on trust, reorganizations' effect on teams, simulating agile practices with 'word count', and transitioning to independent consulting with systems thinking.

Elisabeth Hendrickson, a testing expert, discusses the evolution of DevOps, the impact of hackathons on organizational relationships, feedback loops in software development, challenges in implementing DevOps in political campaigns, and the origins of infrastructure as code and promise theory.

Elisabeth Hendrickson, an experienced QA engineer, explores the relationship between testing and quality in this podcast. She shares her journey of realizing that the better she got at her job, the worse it made things for the organization. Hendrickson highlights the importance of feedback cycles and creating visibility around them. She also discusses polluted feedback, the illusion of speed over progress, and the significance of feedback loops in creating a learning organization.