Profound - Dr. Deming - Episode 13 - Elisabeth Hendrickson - Test Obsessed
Jul 23, 2021
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Elisabeth Hendrickson, a testing expert, discusses the evolution of DevOps, the impact of hackathons on organizational relationships, feedback loops in software development, challenges in implementing DevOps in political campaigns, and the origins of infrastructure as code and promise theory.
Importance of early testing to prevent rework and improve quality.
Collaborative testing integration enhances team communication and overall development process.
Deep dives
Evolution of Career in Software Development
Elizabeth Hendrickson discusses her career journey that started with writing code in 1980 and transitioned through technical writing to QA engineering. She highlights the industry shifts in separating QA from development in the mid-'90s, emphasizing the toxic nature of the divide. Her experience exposed the importance of empirical evidence over speculation, leading to the recognition of the need for earlier testing to avoid extensive rework.
Importance of Shift Left Testing
The conversation delves into the concept of 'shift left', emphasizing the necessity of bringing testing earlier in the development process. Hendrickson shares insights into the challenges faced when testing complex systems and the value of embedding testers within teams for improved collaboration and communication. The discussion underscores the significance of early collaboration and the benefits of integrating testing throughout the software development lifecycle.
Feedback Loops and Continuous Improvement
The dialogue explores the vital role of feedback loops in software development, focusing on the importance of learning from past experiences to inform future decisions. The emphasis is placed on continuous improvement and the need to move beyond speed to prioritize progress. Hendrickson shares anecdotes highlighting the implications of valuing speed over quality and the significance of leveraging feedback to enhance development practices.
Future of Agile and Value Delivery
The discussion transitions to the evolution of Agile methodologies and the shift towards outcome-based approaches. Hendrickson expresses a renewed focus on delivering value and leveraging empirical evidence to drive decision-making. The conversation touches on the significance of measuring performance indicators like deployment frequency as a reflection of successful practices, offering insights into the future of software development practices.
I love doing podcasts with people I really like. A few years back I wrote an Introduction to DevOps course for edX and found Elisabeth Hendrickson's work testing extremely helpful. Since then I've been a big fan of her work. We talked about her career in systems and testing and some of the new stuff she is working on. Hope you enjoy it.
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