Renowned computer scientist and idiosyncratic grump, Edsger Wybe Dijkstra, discusses his influential 'Go To Considered Harmful' paper and its impact. They debate the use of 'go to' statements in programming and explore concepts like coordinate systems in programs. The harmful aspects of go to statements and dependency injection are also discussed. They highlight the value of the elder generation in shaping technology and reflect on code styles and building something new. The podcast also covers scar tissue in bureaucracy and the differences between podcasting and radio.