Former CIA ops officer Douglas London joins to discuss spooky events from Gaza to Moscow, Kyiv & beyond. Topics include CIA director's role in hostage negotiations, dealing with Hamas, espionage in Ukraine, and the nuances of espionage, disinformation, and vetted sources.

Former CIA officer Douglas London and former Cyber Command and NSA Chief Mike Rogers discuss covert possibilities against the Russians in Ukraine, including cyber warfare, support for Ukrainian resistance, launching opposition movements in neighboring countries, and strategies for disabling a Russian column. They also explore the current cyber activity in Ukraine and Russia, the risks of involving independent actors in cyber warfare, Ukraine's offensive and defensive cyber activities, and the potential impact of the Russia-Ukraine conflict on Americans.