Former CIA officer Douglas London and former Cyber Command and NSA Chief Mike Rogers discuss covert possibilities against the Russians in Ukraine, including cyber warfare, support for Ukrainian resistance, launching opposition movements in neighboring countries, and strategies for disabling a Russian column. They also explore the current cyber activity in Ukraine and Russia, the risks of involving independent actors in cyber warfare, Ukraine's offensive and defensive cyber activities, and the potential impact of the Russia-Ukraine conflict on Americans.
The podcast explores the potential strategies and tactics the CIA could employ to support Ukrainian partisans in the event of a Russian invasion, including providing intelligence and assisting with communications and supply lines.
The significance of cyber warfare in the ongoing conflict in Ukraine is highlighted, with insights from Admiral Mike Rogers suggesting that the conflict will be a watershed moment in the history of cyber warfare, emphasizing the need for cyber defense capabilities and coordinated efforts between government, private sector, and individuals.
Deep dives
The podcast discusses the potential for CIA support to Ukrainian partisans
The podcast explores the possibility of the CIA providing support to Ukrainian partisans in the event that Russian forces overrun the country. Former CIA officer Douglas London is interviewed about the potential strategies and tactics that could be employed, drawing comparisons to historical guerrilla movements. The support discussed includes providing intelligence, liaising with the groups on the ground, and assisting with communications and supply lines.
The podcast highlights the role of cyber in the Ukraine conflict
The podcast emphasizes the significance of cyber warfare in the ongoing conflict in Ukraine. It highlights the current lack of a major cyber campaign from Russia, but suggests that this may change in the future. The discussion includes insights from Admiral Mike Rogers, former head of US Cyber Command, who predicts that the conflict will be a watershed moment in the history of cyber warfare. The potential for cyber attacks, both offensive and defensive, by both Ukraine and Russia is explored.
The podcast examines the resilience of Ukraine's cyber defenses
The podcast examines Ukraine's preparedness in terms of cyber defense and highlights how they have built expertise and capabilities in this area. The involvement of NATO and the United States in providing cyber defense support to Ukraine is discussed. The podcast also highlights the role of the private sector, which has shown greater activism in countering the Russian narrative and providing support to Ukraine. Lessons about cyber resilience and the importance of coordinated efforts between government, private sector, and individuals are emphasized.
The podcast explores the use of disinformation in the conflict
The podcast delves into the role of disinformation campaigns in the Ukraine conflict. It examines how Russia has been effective in promoting its narrative internally and raises questions about the response of social media companies in countering this narrative. The discussion also touches upon the potential for growing domestic discord and the impact it may have on political decisions and actions. The importance of recognizing and countering disinformation, as well as maintaining national unity, is highlighted.
Former CIA officer Douglas London talks about covert possibilities against the Russians with Jeff Stein. Former Cyber Command and NSA Chief Mike Rogers talks about the cyber side of the war with Jeanne Meserve.