Donald G. McNeil Jr., author of The Wisdom of Plagues, joins the podcast to discuss his book and the zoonotic origin of Covid. They also touch on the accuracy of Anthony Fauci's answers about gain-of-function research, public health cowardice, the environmental impact of missile strikes on Houthi targets in Yemen, and the debate surrounding Israel's actions in Gaza and the concept of genocide.

Donald G. McNeil Jr., a former New York Times global health reporter and author of "The Wisdom of Plagues," discusses the lessons of COVID-19 four years on. He delves into the origins of the virus, including the contentious lab leak theory, and advocates for a dedicated global pandemic response unit. McNeil also reflects on his own controversial exit from The Times and the delicate balance between public health measures and individual freedoms. With insights into vaccine mandates and the role of misinformation, this conversation is a deep dive into our pandemic preparedness.

Donald G. McNeil Jr., former NY Times science reporter specializing in plagues, discusses the lab leak theory of COVID-19 origins. He shares his disappointment in scientists dismissing his inquiries. The podcast also covers the controversy surrounding the US Women's National Soccer Team and their social justice stances.