In this engaging discussion, David Rohde, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist from The New Yorker and author of "In Deep," dives into the complexities of the 'deep state.' He explores historical tensions between U.S. presidents and intelligence agencies, revealing how these conflicts have shaped public perception. Rohde addresses the decline in trust in government and the misuse of the 'deep state' concept for political manipulation. With sharp insights, he sheds light on the need for oversight, transparency, and rebuilding public confidence in national security institutions.