Entrepreneurs and investors David and Daniil Liberman discuss their partnership spanning 16 years, their experience at Snap, grassroots anti-corruption efforts, borrowing resources from IBM, equanimity in the face of political threats, playing the fool for advantage, moving to the US for better opportunities, their unique life as connected brothers, meeting the Dalai Lama, starting a company with Evan, data-driven analysis and goal setting, the teaching and learning of coding, observations on financial crisis and generational wealth disparities, renegotiating contracts based on future success, and investing in a sustainable future.