David Goodsell, a molecular biologist at the Scripps Institute, is known for his art that visually translates complex molecular concepts. He delves into the importance of stories and meta-stories in shaping our understanding of reality. The conversation navigates the interplay between perception, personal growth, and the challenges of interpreting literature and emotions. Goodsell also discusses how our biological makeup influences motivation and behavior, offering insights into the intricate links between science, morality, and the narratives that guide our lives.