David Gborie joins to explore the captivating rise of Ziz LaSota, a bright young girl from Alaska who becomes a controversial figure in the rationalist movement. They discuss her obsession with philosophy and ethics, especially regarding sentience and artificial intelligence. The conversation dives into how cult leaders can emerge from charismatic individuals like Ziz and the psychological influences that lead followers to embrace radical beliefs. Gborie also highlights the absurdities of tech culture and the moral dilemmas faced in the gig economy.