In this engaging discussion, Robert Talbert, a mathematics professor and author of 'Flipped Learning,' along with David Clark, an advocate for alternative grading in higher education, dive into their book, 'Grading for Growth.' They explore the flaws of traditional grading systems and introduce a four-pillar model for alternative grading that promotes authentic learning. The conversation highlights the importance of intrinsic motivation, shares student experiences with new approaches, and offers actionable steps for educators to implement meaningful assessment reforms.