Dan Spokojny, a former State Department FSO and founder of FP21, joins Jon Bateman, a senior fellow at Carnegie Endowment, to discuss reforming foreign policy decision-making. They tackle the limitations of current practices, emphasizing the need for evidence-based approaches over narrative-driven decisions. The conversation highlights the disparity in training between military and State Department officials, advocating for structured analysis and innovative forecasting. They also delve into the importance of integrating historical perspectives and utilizing technology in policymaking.