Joe Tidy, BBC's cyber correspondent, joins Ciarán Martin, founding Chief Executive of the National Cyber Security Centre, and Sarah Smith, North America editor. They dive deep into the significant cyber attack on Marks & Spencer, examining customer data theft and the chaos it inflicted on operations. The conversation shifts to the notorious hacking group Dragon Force, exploring its influence on cybercrime. They also touch on geopolitical implications as Trump announces a massive arms deal in Saudi Arabia, showcasing the intersection of tech and diplomacy.