A leading authority on submarine espionage and the author of a book on the subject, Christopher Drew, engages in a discussion with Jeff Stein. They cover various intriguing topics like hair-raising espionage missions, challenges in tracking submarines, revealing Russian moles, the role of submarines in the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, rebuilding the Russian Navy's nuclear submarine arsenal, and uncovering Bin Laden's plans and myths through the Bin Laden papers.