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SpyTalk

Deep Dive

May 5, 2022
A leading authority on submarine espionage and the author of a book on the subject, Christopher Drew, engages in a discussion with Jeff Stein. They cover various intriguing topics like hair-raising espionage missions, challenges in tracking submarines, revealing Russian moles, the role of submarines in the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, rebuilding the Russian Navy's nuclear submarine arsenal, and uncovering Bin Laden's plans and myths through the Bin Laden papers.
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  • Submarines have played a crucial role in intelligence gathering during the Cold War and continue to track Russian and Chinese submarines today.
  • The recently declassified Bin Laden Papers challenge assumptions about Osama bin Laden's control over Al Qaeda and highlight the significant roles played by women in his circle.

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Role of Submarines in Espionage and Warfare

Submarines have long fascinated people due to their hidden nature and the risks involved for the crew. Submarines played a crucial role in intelligence gathering during the Cold War, with special projects involving tapping Soviet cables and retrieving missile parts. They continue to have important roles today, particularly in tracking Russian and Chinese submarines. Submarines aim to monitor and potentially neutralize the threat of nuclear missiles by closely following these submarines. While technological advancements have made submarines safer, they still face challenges such as collisions and limited access in crowded areas. Despite their historical significance, submarines face limitations in their current role in the conflict over Ukraine, where maneuvering within the Black Sea poses challenges in terms of approval and visibility. Submarines remain an essential part of intelligence gathering and counter-threat measures in the face of evolving global tensions.

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