In this lively discussion, fashion features writer Chantal Fernandez and Puck's correspondent Lauren Sherman dive into the unraveling of Victoria’s Secret, as detailed in their new book. They explore its rise, controversies, and struggles to adapt to modern consumer preferences. The episode also tackles the ongoing tensions between Microsoft and OpenAI, and how these tech giants navigate their partnership amid rising competition. Joined by Kara and Scott, they also weigh in on political decorum and the implications of recent high-profile legal issues.

Lauren Sherman, a fashion correspondent at Puck, and Chantal Fernandez, a features writer for The Cut, dive deep into the rise and fall of Victoria's Secret. They discuss the brand's innovative founding, which transformed lingerie shopping into a welcoming experience. The conversation shifts to its decline due to changing consumer preferences and controversies surrounding body image. They also explore how cultural shifts post-MeToo are redefining the brand's identity and the challenges it faces in rebuilding genuine connections with modern consumers.

Chantal Fernandez, co-author of "Selling Sexy: Victoria’s Secret and the Unraveling of an American Icon," shares her insights into the swift rise and dramatic fall of Victoria’s Secret. She discusses how founder Les Wexner’s understanding of consumer desires fueled early success, but the brand struggled to keep up with competition from companies like Skims and Aerie. Fernandez also delves into revitalization strategies, highlighting lessons from Abercrombie & Fitch’s turnaround, with an emphasis on quality, inclusivity, and modern consumer needs.