Carl Dong, a software developer known for creating Obscura VPN and contributing to Bitcoin projects, dives into the world of online privacy. He discusses innovative payment methods for VPN services that protect user anonymity, especially through cryptocurrency. The conversation also touches on the concept of trustless VPNs, addressing censorship challenges, and the importance of transparency in an often murky VPN market. Carl shares insights on enhancing digital freedom and the long-term vision for Obscura, underscoring the need for reliable and user-friendly privacy solutions.