Caleb Gayle

Caleb Gayle, a journalist and historian from Oklahoma, dives into the untold story of Edward McCabe, dubbed 'Black Moses,' who dreamed of establishing a 'Black state' in Oklahoma. He discusses McCabe's political maneuvering and recruitment of Black settlers during Reconstruction, alongside the challenges posed by Jim Crow laws. Gayle sheds light on the tensions between northern Black elites and freed southern Blacks, and the impact of Oklahoma's distorted history. He connects these themes to today's political climate and envisions future narratives on race and ambition.

Caleb Gayle, a journalist and historian known for his focus on underrepresented American history, joins the discussion to explore his book on Edward McCabe, or "Black Moses," and the ambitious yet failed dream of establishing a Black state in Oklahoma. Gayle reflects on the complexities of Black migration, tribal alliances, and the political maneuvers shaping this dream. The conversation also highlights the stark contrast of this history with the emergence of Jim Crow laws and the tragic link to the Tulsa massacre, painting a vivid picture of ambition and resistance.

In this discussion, author Caleb Gayle delves into the life of Edward P. McCabe, a pioneering figure who sought to establish a promised land for African Americans in Oklahoma. McCabe's visionary quest parallels the biblical story of Moses, as he skillfully used American ideals to advocate for Black self-governance. The conversation also touches on the establishment of all-Black towns and the challenges posed by Jim Crow laws, while connecting McCabe’s legacy to contemporary issues of race and identity in America.